Curse

Draiyne Valure · Mar 13, 2008, 12:41 PM // 12:41

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Originally Posted by blue.rellik

I've had necros cast Insidious Parasite and Empathy on me when I'm a elementalist with a wand.

I've lost all faith in the intelligence of reguler ABers

Interestingly, I've seen casters wand themselves to death through Insidious Parasite and Empathy.

Longasc · Mar 13, 2008, 12:56 PM // 12:56

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Originally Posted by LifeInfusion

It seems sort of frivolous to run Tactics now even in PvE.
(...)
the last reason to use Tactics (Watch Yourself) on a warrior disappeared I think.

Yes, we could discuss if it is dead or if it just got kicked in the balls till only a bloody mass was left, but well...

The whole "Soldier's" line was killed. I really liked Soldier's Defense. Now there is no longer any shout besides "For Great Justice" that warrior can reasonably maintain to meet the "under a shout" mechanics of these skills.

Healing Signet maybe the last reason this line exists at all.

I still do not get it that after that many years Watch Yourself becomes such a problem.
Furthermore, the way it got nerfed does not affect paragons so much, they still get energy and can make use of some more armor, but it kills it for warriors. DOH.

Please nobody crawl along and tell me I should use SY anyways, I do not want to complain about the questionable implementation and power of some PvE skills, too.

isamu kurosawa · Mar 13, 2008, 02:09 PM // 14:09

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Originally Posted by Draiyne Valure

Interestingly, I've seen casters wand themselves to death through Insidious Parasite and Empathy.

Same here.

Although i've had a mesmer use guilt/shame/mistrust/backfire all at once on me while im playing a cripshot ranger.

Trvth Jvstice · Mar 13, 2008, 04:52 PM // 16:52

Back to the tactics discussion: It'll take a while to get all of my warrior heroes a strength shield. I have 7 characters and a ton of heroes, so that's quite a few shields. If someone (like myself) were strapped for cash, would you suggest continuing with tactics until enough strength shields are attained? Or, as I've done so far- give them hammers and go hammer/strength attribute? Jora's doing a pretty good job with Earth shaker.

I plan on eventually getting them all strength shields and use the W/P D Slash build. So far only 2 of my Koss's have strength shields. I suppose I could just get collector shields until I get good shields.

Stormlord Alex · Mar 13, 2008, 04:56 PM // 16:56

Just keep on with the Tactics shields and take that 8 armour loss for not meeting the req for now - it won't make much of a difference, really.

kazjun · Mar 13, 2008, 10:57 PM // 22:57

Just use collector shields. Not like your heroes are going to care if the shield isn't green or gold.

Or you could just use thumpers

Beomagi · Mar 14, 2008, 11:27 PM // 23:27

Is SY really all that? from reading the "official" wiki, it wont add 100 armor, but set all allies to 100 armor.
if that's true, it's not nearly as cracked up as it could be.

isamu kurosawa · Mar 14, 2008, 11:31 PM // 23:31

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Originally Posted by Beomagi

Is SY really all that? from reading the "official" wiki, it wont add 100 armor, but set all allies to 100 armor.
if that's true, it's not nearly as cracked up as it could be.

Gain as in additional. If it worked the way you think it would say "set" or "becomes". In total its a near 85%damage reduction so yes it is all that.

Arkantos · Mar 14, 2008, 11:34 PM // 23:34

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Originally Posted by Beomagi

Is SY really all that? from reading the "official" wiki, it wont add 100 armor, but set all allies to 100 armor.
if that's true, it's not nearly as cracked up as it could be.

For (3..6) seconds, all other party members gain +100 armor.

Notice the + in front of the 100.

Trvth Jvstice · Mar 14, 2008, 11:36 PM // 23:36

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Originally Posted by Beomagi

Is SY really all that? from reading the "official" wiki, it wont add 100 armor, but set all allies to 100 armor.
if that's true, it's not nearly as cracked up as it could be.

The wiki says: "An armor bonus of 100 reduces armor-affected damage by 82.32%." That's a BONUS of 100 armor, so for a few seconds Olias has 160 armor,

Luminarus · Mar 15, 2008, 10:40 PM // 22:40

Tactics is dead due to overabuse by paragons... my suggestion put all warrior shouts into the strength attribute with links to tactics:

EG:

Watch Yourself
4 Adrenaline
10 Seconds you and you're party gain +5-21 armor. This skill has 50-100% failure with Strength 4 or less.

As good as it used to be for warrior primary's (who doesnt use 5 strength) whilst it sucks for paragons, because it will simply fail (no leadership abuse). Also this skill now doesnt need the 4 recharge because paragons cant use it.

Do similar concepts to all the tactics skills, giving them a fail chance to prevent paragon abuse. Then unnerf them so that they are good again and tactics is back.

Trvth Jvstice · Mar 15, 2008, 11:35 PM // 23:35

Before SY, the only Tactics skill I used was Watch Yourself, unless I was running or soloing in some areas. I'm sure we'll get an update soon that will make some Tactics skills usable. Looking at the Tactics line, it wouldn't take much to make several of the skills quite usable.

Eldin · Mar 16, 2008, 02:46 AM // 02:46

[skill]Healing Signet[/skill]
Sole reason I still play Tactics, not to mention my shields. Most of my builds focus primarily on Axe Attacks and Adrenal Buildup (though I find Lion's Comfort stupid, you don't always have adrenaline when you need to heal yourself, what about those UW encounters where the foes are dead, you have no monk around, and all you can do is stand there and degen to death after the bleeding they just did on you?).

I have always put about 5 points into Strength just for additional Sprint, though. :P

JDRyder · Mar 16, 2008, 06:27 AM // 06:27

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Originally Posted by Stormlord Alex

Are bad on Warriors, outside of farming.

this was end of thread

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Originally Posted by Eldin

[skill]Healing Signet[/skill]
Sole reason I still play Tactics

all war heals suck imo, i find it better not take a heal, when do you not have a monk/healer? D:

[skill]Signet of Pious Light[/skill][skill]Vital Boon[/skill] > all warriors heals

as for tactics they always sucked. nothing but blocking skills for the most part, fear me was the only reason i used tactics, that and dual chage war set ups when i get lazy and just want to run the mission/quest :P yes watch youself was nice but i didnt find it worth the points in tactics for 1 skill

MasterSasori · Mar 16, 2008, 07:09 PM // 19:09

For fun and originality. The only reason I can possibly think of.

]SK[ · Mar 16, 2008, 08:50 PM // 20:50

WY was the only tactics skill I used. I've been running Item + Strength for a long time now. Shame really.

klownbobo · Mar 17, 2008, 05:45 AM // 05:45

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Originally Posted by LifeInfusion

Auspicious Parry - doesn't work against caster groups

i think Auspicious Parry works against any attack now

**Marty Silverblade** · Mar 17, 2008, 06:19 AM // 06:19

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Originally Posted by klownbobo

i think Auspicious Parry works against any attack now

If the enemy casters are trying to kill you by wanding you then you may as well not bother using skills. If thay target you with spells, AP won't do a thing.

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[card]Signet of Pious Light[/card][card]Vital Boon[/card] > all warrior heals

Hqlf the plqyers donùt run q selfheql qt qll: Zhy spec into qnother qttribute line qnd use é slots:

Dammit Guru hates me again and wants to replace my characters.

Beomagi · Mar 17, 2008, 08:22 AM // 08:22

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Save_yourselves

did anyone actually check the official wiki before commenting?

see point 3
"This skill does NOT give +100 but 100 armor (as if all affected party members have 100 AL)."

I don't have much faith in what I read on most games. if anyone here ever played diablo 2, that should be instinct.

Stormlord Alex · Mar 17, 2008, 09:02 AM // 09:02

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Originally Posted by Beomagi

http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Save_yourselves

did anyone actually check the official wiki before commenting?

see point 3
"This skill does NOT give +100 but 100 armor (as if all affected party members have 100 AL).

Whoever added that note is wrong and an idiot.
Yes, anyone can edit the wiki.